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New online 'Job Tracker' shows outsourced jobs by zip code, gets huge response

Sat Oct 9, 2010 4:50 PM EDT
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By American Idle
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It's really popular with workers; CEOs, not so much. It's Job Tracker, and all you have to do is put in your zip code to find out which companies in your area are off-shoring, outsourcing, and breaking labor laws.

Announced just yesterday, Job Tracker, a project of AFL-CIO affiliate Working America, has been “hugely popular,” according to Online Mobilization Coordinator Manny Herrmann. “The site got so much traffic it was overwhelmed, and people couldn’t get through to it for about an hour.”

Using a zip code, you can modify your search area from a 5-100 mile radius. The data will provide particulars about how many and which companies have shipped jobs overseas, laid people off, and violated labor, discrimination, and health & safety laws—and more. You can search specific companies and industries and also provide information to Working America to help keep the data base current.

“For the first time, working people have one place to see the real impact of outsourcing, bad trade deals and currency manipulation,” Hermann says. “Every corporate traitor Working America exposes—and every company you and your friends, co-workers and family add—makes a stronger case for holding corporations accountable.”

Search JOB TRACKER for your area NOW.

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American Idle

Job Tracker also has a link to Executive Pay Watch, which, among other things, keeps a data base of CEO pay. The average American CEO now makes about 260 times that of the average
American worker.

“Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman.”--Louis D. Brandeis

  • 27 votes
Reply#1 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 4:51 PM EDT
Carloz

Thanks for the article. Clipped to the Offshoring America group.

  • 13 votes
#1.1 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:00 AM EDT
American Idle

Carloz, thanks. Good to spread the word. When I first saw this, I thought... at last! We can't solve a problem if we're not sure what it is.

A couple of weeks ago I heard this very brief comment on the radio that the Labor Department was going to STOP reporting on jobs getting shipped overseas. I've not heard that again and can't find it online. If that's true, it's very disturbing. Maybe it got nipped in the bud. As I was researching, I came across a story I have just now seeded:

Offshoring, outsourcing of jobs: U.S. jobs continue to flow overseas - chicagotribune.com

There are some ridiculous quotes from business jerks justifying what they are doing, as if it's a GOOD thing for American workers. <gag reflex>

  • 9 votes
#1.2 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:35 PM EDT
Rene ODeay

Now if we could just have a 'tracker' for those who hire illegal immigrants.

  • 8 votes
#1.3 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 3:42 PM EDT
LasVegasRocks

Rene ODeay

Now if we could just have a 'tracker' for those who hire illegal immigrants.

I'm guessing it would be those "average American CEO [who] now makes about 260 times that of the average American worker."

  • 12 votes
#1.4 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:11 PM EDT
American Idle

Despite the rhetoric from the GOP, they really don't want to put a stop to undocumented workers. They had plenty of time under Bush to do something, and they didn't, even though he wanted to. I suspect they like the wedge issue but, moreover, are protecting illegal employers--and, please use that term because without them there would be no "illegal workers."

  • 13 votes
#1.5 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:33 PM EDT
Pamela Drew

What a fantastic tool, thank you so much for sharing it here with us. It also helps to underscore how we as consumers drive the high cost of low prices every time we opt for the cheap import items over ones at higher dollars to cover the fair wages and environmental protection involved.

Without protections for the planet and its people, cheap costs all the world's creatures far more than what trades hands at the register and passes for a bargain. Good news is that every dollar is a vote and we can make change by supporting the goods and services in our communities. Local Harvest is an easy local food locator.

  • 2 votes
#1.6 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 12:25 AM EST
American Idle

Hi, Pamela, I've been out of town. Thanks for your input. I was shocked when I put in info for where I live now, where I used to live.... We are taking a beating.

Thanks for the info about Local Harvest.

  • 1 vote
#1.7 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:20 PM EST
Elbonian

I like the idea but the data isn't at all accurate. Companies have numerous ways to dodge getting on that map I guess. In my case my company sold my job to a third party (outsourcing) and then the third party send my job to India. So, no report at all For Sprint in Overland Park, Kansas. Its not even on the map, even though we endured yearly layoffs before being "sold down the river" and those who stayed behind continue to endure regular layoffs. And no pin at all on Sprint's Campus headquarters? That complex used to be home to 25,000 Sprint employees. Now, it is over half-empty as there are only about 10,000 Sprint employees left at that site.

  • 2 votes
#1.8 - Tue Feb 1, 2011 4:33 PM EST
American Idle

Elb, there is a link there to report these things. They are asking people to participate. I'm not sure what "definitions" they use to qualify, but it's worth a shot. Good luck.

  • 1 vote
#1.9 - Tue Feb 1, 2011 5:18 PM EST
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TR-421173

Interesting

  • 14 votes
Reply#2 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 4:56 PM EDT
American Idle

Yeah, and kinda scary. Job loss is bad enough, but all these companies violating OSHA regs, putting people's lives at risk, wow, who knew? And OSHA, like a lot of other watch dog agencies, is underfunded and, consequently, way behind in inspections.

Workers Threatened by Decline in OSHA Budget, Enforcement Activity ...

Reminds me of a labor song... "I just came to work here, not to die..."

  • 18 votes
#2.1 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 5:04 PM EDT
Aunk (The Cultural Health Guy)

Hetep and Respect American Idle. We must cutoff the tax credit for outsources American jobs that the Republicans and Corporate Dems love.

The map is great we need to shine a light on the unpatriotic corporations. Maybe we should remove the licence of outsourcers and bring back the tariffs we have always had to protect our markets.

Buy American

  • 13 votes
#2.2 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:45 AM EDT
American Idle

Greetings, Aunk. Thank you for joining the discussion. As a longtime trade unionist, I can tell you for a fact that we in the labor movement were the first to sound the alarm about offshoring and outsourcing. But no one heeded. We warned about the maquiladoras in Mexico. We warned about NAFTA that followed, and the WTO, etc. It was considered self-serving. Our estimates were, in fact, terribly low. The job loss has been so much worse than even we predicted.

I hope you were able to get over to my article about the One Nation march and rally last weekend. It was an incredible experience. If you haven't read it yet, check it out here:

Forget the trolls & wingnuts, 'One Nation' rally was a huge success: An eyewitness report with photos

I was surprised at the incredible response it received.

  • 8 votes
#2.3 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:30 AM EDT
Aunk (The Cultural Health Guy)

H&R AI, I did read your piece very insightful from and on sight Reporter instead of all this hearsay. tnx.

It was considered self-serving. Our estimates were, in fact, terribly low. The job loss has been so much worse than even we predicted.

I was one of the people who was not listening close enough. I am listening now. Thank you for your good work. Clinton was a nice guy, but too much of a corporatist, with that NAFTA stuff, big error.

  • 6 votes
#2.4 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:52 AM EDT
American Idle

Thanks, Aunk.

Clinton did a lot of damage in the long run, but in the short run he had a fairly successful economy overall during his term. The effects of the trade deals, however, have been devastating for the working class. The rich are having a party.

  • 6 votes
#2.5 - Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:44 AM EDT
skeptic-227981

Great link, which I've bookmarked to a file. The scary part about the OSHA list in my area? Several companies I know of haven't reported stuff to OSHA. One group of franchises has constant lay-offs and unjustified firings regularly. No employment contracts involved, but their UI tax bill must be out-a-sight.

Thanks for the link.

  • 1 vote
#2.6 - Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:53 PM EST
American Idle

Glad you found this useful.

As you can see from comments here, a lot of people find the info to be a real eye opener.

  • 2 votes
#2.7 - Tue Feb 1, 2011 12:05 AM EST
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Rainbow Warrior

Strong work American Idle!

As a fellow Class Warrior, here's some stats/ammo for ya...

http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/the-u.s.-middle-class-is-being-wiped-out-heres-the-stats-to-prove-it-520657.html?tickers=^DJI,^GSPC,SPY,MCD,WMT,XRT,DIA

Fight on! When the rest of the country finally figures it out, we will out number the bastards 99 to 1

Aho

  • 12 votes
Reply#3 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 5:04 PM EDT
American Idle

Just FYI, here's something I posted around Labor Day. It's a compilation of stuff....

The Not-So-Happy-Labor-Day Aggravation, Agitation & Information List (with poll)

  • 11 votes
#3.1 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 5:32 PM EDT
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American Idle

Rainbow,, that is some really staggering stuff. I think I saw it seeded before, but it disappeared before I could read it, so thanks for the link. People are justifiably angry, but unaware of the reasons. Things went steadily down hill since the so-called Regan Revolution.

It was revolting, all right.

  • 12 votes
Reply#4 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 5:28 PM EDT
MDC-441879

This is awesome info, thanks. I know some people that would be interested in this stuff.

  • 10 votes
#4.1 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 8:53 PM EDT
American Idle

MDC, please pass it along via whatever means you can. It's important for us to understand the full impact in our communities. You put that data together and the pain so many people are feeling today makes sense. We can't find solutions unless we know the problem.

  • 6 votes
#4.2 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:34 AM EDT
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bishang14Deleted
Village Idiot-2299796

Let The Plunder ROLL!

CHINA OR BUST! Grab the loot and run for the boats!

We're gutting America for money to invest in China!

This is called CAPITALISM!

No intervention! DEREGULATE!

  • 12 votes
Reply#6 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 7:32 PM EDT
American Idle

Village, it is even worse than that. As the web site shows, it's the full scope of job loss. We are now getting reports of companies literally flush with cash refusing to hire people. The reasons are debatable. Some say they are spooked about low consumer confidence. Others say they are holding on to the profits earned by increased productivity, meaning making those workers they haven't laid off are worker harder and longer. Still others say they are willfully withholding jobs to make Obama look bad.

Whatever the reason, it's painfully obvious that America's workforce has been betrayed.

  • 11 votes
#6.1 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:40 AM EDT
Ted 050247

This is how concerned the Republicans are about jobs for Americans. The only way to get jobs back in this country is to stop sending them overseas.

Thank you Republicans for once more showing you are in the back pocket of big business. POS. .

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/28/gop-blocks-democrats-jobs-outsourcing-bill/

  • 9 votes
#6.2 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:34 PM EDT
American Idle

Ted, and that was a very modest proposal they stopped. I just wonder when the hell these working people who back Repub are going to wake up and see that the pain they are feeling is that giant SCREWING they are getting from the right. Geez!

  • 5 votes
#6.3 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:38 PM EDT
Ted 050247

the server was busy on that other link-here's another one. Thank you Republicans-keep up the good lying about Jobs! Snake oil salesman. They have no plan for jobs-but they sure want to make the rich richer.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68R40I20100928

  • 6 votes
#6.4 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:40 PM EDT
American Idle

thanks for new link

actually I didn't have a problem with the other one when I checked but I know @!$%# like that happens

good points.... again

  • 3 votes
#6.5 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:45 PM EDT
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TR-421173

bishang14 = Advertising Troll = Reported

Bye Bye

  • 4 votes
Reply#7 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 7:52 PM EDT
American Idle

Thanks, TR. I had to be gone for some hours and unable to monitor.

  • 4 votes
#7.1 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:40 AM EDT
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yexu30Deleted
TR-421173

yexu30 = Advertising Troll / Spammer = Reported

These spamming bastards seem to be everywhere today.

  • 6 votes
Reply#9 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 9:02 PM EDT
MDC-441879

Yeah, what's up w/that? Are they breeding some where?

  • 6 votes
#9.1 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 9:20 PM EDT
American Idle

MDC, you have to wonder. I've seen these several times in the last couple of weeks.

Is this the NEW employment model?

  • 8 votes
#9.2 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:41 AM EDT
cookin mama

the ad spammers are worse on the weekend, they hide in the green house

  • 2 votes
#9.3 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:00 PM EST
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K Dog

Heh! Now I can start interviewing prospective employers....

  • 5 votes
Reply#10 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 10:07 PM EDT
American Idle

K Dog.... do you live overseas?

  • 6 votes
#10.1 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:42 AM EDT
K Dog

No. I live over land. ;)

LOL

  • 2 votes
#10.2 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:17 PM EDT
American Idle

OK, you got me. Good one!

  • 3 votes
#10.3 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:34 PM EDT
K Dog

Zing!

I just one of those unwashed west coast loons you always hear about. ;)

  • 3 votes
#10.4 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:45 PM EDT
American Idle

Hey, so was I, then I moved to Wisconsin and became another inmate of Mad Town.

  • 2 votes
#10.5 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:34 PM EDT
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cajunsnake

Checked my old work place, and bless their hearts...doing exactly what they told us they weren't doing. Gotta love em.

  • 10 votes
Reply#11 - Sat Oct 9, 2010 11:23 PM EDT
American Idle

Share the info. People should know.

  • 8 votes
#11.1 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:43 AM EDT
cajunsnake

Oh, way ahead of ya. LOL This is something that bosses REALLY don't want you to know about.

  • 8 votes
#11.2 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:56 AM EDT
American Idle

I love the Executive Pay Watch feature, too. The sums these traitors make are staggering.

  • 6 votes
#11.3 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:40 PM EDT
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james-2380631

this is a good way to keep track of whos helping to bring this great country down around its knees.

  • 7 votes
Reply#12 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:57 AM EDT
American Idle

Income inequality right now is worse than it's been since the Great Depression. We are hemorrhaging jobs, losing our manufacturing base. We have gone from a manufacturing economy to a service and finance economy--service jobs with crappy pay for the working class and, in finance, billions transferred upward to the elites. Better paying jobs, like high tech, are hard or impossible to come by for displaced workers who can't even make their mortgage payments let alone cough up huge bucks to go back to school for new skills.

It's class war, and we're losing. No political party will save us. We need to be a movement, not a party, and that movement is the labor movement. It is the only entity totally devoted to the interests of the American worker.

  • 13 votes
#12.1 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:57 AM EDT
james-2380631

so very true!

  • 2 votes
#12.2 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 4:52 PM EST
American Idle

Thanks, James. I'm out of town, in San Francisco. I had a really interesting conversation with the Super Shuttle driver who took from the airport to my destination. It is so typical of what's going on nowadays.

They used to have a union, decent wages, benefits, days off. Nobody was getting rich but it was good. The company busted them. The drivers are like independent contractors; they are responsible for the vehicles and now tussle with one another of who gets what router, fare, passengers. The work rules are gone. It's every driver for himself.

This guy had just gotten screwed by another driver who was circling the airport for 40 minutes when he was only supposed to be there for about 15-20, and got a lot of passengers going into SF. The guy I rode with had 2.

The working class is divided against itself and, based on the last election, it looks like it's only going to get worse.

  • 2 votes
#12.3 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:26 PM EST
james-2380631

good post. love to hear it from a first-hand point of view.

  • 2 votes
#12.4 - Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:13 PM EST
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Mark-702026

OSHA only has domain within the US boarders. It might be a surprise but I support OSHA a great deal, and also argue because of their existence labor Unions and the are obsolete, and have become a bigger threat to US industrial jobs than errant employers. Add to that list of business enemies the out of control tyrannical EPA departments state and Federal.

I have had two large clients that have left the US due the outrageous power the state DEQ and federal EPA have and without judicial resource. They make the rules and are they judge jury and executioner.

They also have a very anti-capitalist agenda.

  • 3 votes
Reply#13 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:41 AM EDT
American Idle

Mark, OSHA is notoriously understaffed and way behind in inspections as is its counterpart, the Mine Safety & Health Admin. Where were they BEFORE the Massey mine disaster?

AP: Doomed W.Va. miners' notes warned of coal dust

I'm not sure whether OSHA had jurisdiction over BP's rig out in the Gulf, but we all know what happened there.

OSHA is NOT good at preemptive action; usually only gets involved after some poor working schmuck gets hurt or killed. No wonder employers don't have a problem with it.

Yes, I know, folks like you hate government oversight. Folks like me want to live.

MHSA has recently cited Massey again. He's a corporate criminal and should be in prison for the lying, cheating, murdering SOB he is.

Safety violations led to 11 closure orders at Massey mine

  • 8 votes
#13.1 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:13 PM EDT
Mark-702026

Well I will conceded OSHA is understaffed, espically compared to DEQ.

  • 5 votes
#13.2 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:55 PM EDT
American Idle

Thanks for that.

I'm not familiar with DEQ.

  • 5 votes
#13.3 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 3:28 PM EDT
Mark-702026

Most states have a DEQ, Department of Environmental Quality. I am over simplify but basically the law is that a state can regulate itself if their department meets or exceeds the polices of the federal EPA.

The states save money by not having to send money to the Federal EPA to be their enforcement agencies.

  • 4 votes
#13.4 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:18 PM EDT
Mark-702026

Wow I forgot to mention DOL (Department of labor, which has also taken a huge burden off labor unions)

I fully understand and conceded that in our past they was a need for labor unions, but firmly believe that time has long gone and they become a hinderous to job growth and free enterprise.

They are playing a large role in Americans jobs being outsourced to other nations.

  • 3 votes
#13.5 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:22 PM EDT
American Idle

Mark, sounds like the way the DEQ works is sort of like the minimum wage, i.e. the feds set the minimum standard and the states can do more.

Unions negotiate and administer employment contacts. DOL doesn't do that.

Corporate executives have employment contracts; wouldn't do without them. If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for the rest of us.

Sorry, but I have to note that it's sort of silly to blame unions for offshoring, outsourcing, etc. The lost jobs are by far nonunion. Unions only represent about seven percent of the private sector workforce.

The labor movement is the only entity strictly devoted to advancing the interests of working people. Compare that to who pimps for the elites: Chamber of Commerce, Business Roundtable, National Association of Manufacturers, Fox, Wall Street Journal, all those rightwing think tanks (funded by billionaires), and most of Congress.

Working people need and deserve somebody in their corner.

  • 5 votes
#13.6 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:44 PM EDT
Mark-702026

I am not saying they are the only cause. There are of course business that look at it as a way to cut cost. However, they cost they being forced to cut are due to other influences that are directly related to bloated union contracts.

In general when when the above mentioned website is used the outsourcing is contracted in the ares of the country that are highly unionized.

It would be silly not to consider unios have an impact of business cost and not just at union shops part across all industries.

What is stopping an individual from having a contract with their employers. if fact many i do. You also always have to ultimate vote. Quit and find a better job. If you have valued skills and area productive asset to the company they will try and keep you.

  • 1 vote
#13.7 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:04 AM EDT
American Idle

Mark, if businesses join associations of all kinds to advance their interests, working people should too. The only people who get individual employment contracts earn extremely high salaries. Any average worker who tried to "negotiate" an individual contract is delusional and probably won't stay employed very long.

The "choice" you offer is a false one, i.e. put up, shut up, or leave. I get that you don't like unions. Some people do. It's their right UNDER THE LAW to join if they so choose.

I always get a kick when people like you use terms like "bloated" to describe compensation for average workikng people. Have you seen the stats on CEO pay? Just look at the graphic I posted from the web site. Geez!

  • 4 votes
#13.8 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:37 AM EDT
Mark-702026

The average union workers package is bloated. I negotiate with my most valued people all the time in order to keep them.

Do I do that with entry level people no. I give them standard offer. Once they have proven themselves a valued asset I have no problem paying them what they deserve. It is both our interests.

Remember only 30% of the working force work for large public companies. Small business rules and fuels this economy.

I don't think I dislike the current mega unions. i always hold the opinion that due to regulation the most important aspect of unions are no longer needed and the pendulum has swung to far to the anti-business and pro worker side.

  • 1 vote
#13.9 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:51 AM EDT
American Idle

We have a "pro-worker" business climate in the USA?

Whoa, baby, good one! You should be writing for Stephen Colbert on Comedy Central.

The Word - Solidarity

Episode: #02089

It's time for management and labor to come together as management to exploit labor. (3:08)

  • 4 votes
#13.10 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:06 PM EDT
Mark-702026

Yeah I think so. We have poor pity me mentality. Why do I have to work so hard mentality. We certainly have a anti-business attitude.

It should not be an entitlement that everyone have a job pays them well enough for a three bedroom house, two new cars, paid vacation, sick days, a cell phone, only work 40 hours a week (lunch included), and weekends off to.

  • 1 vote
#13.11 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:42 PM EDT
American Idle

That's incredibly elitist. Good grief. My gag reflex just kicked in.

Sorry, that did it for me. I'm ignoring you.

  • 4 votes
#13.12 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:24 PM EDT
Mark-702026

And you are incredibly socialist. However you really seem to be a pleasant person so you do not make my ignore list.

  • 1 vote
#13.13 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:33 PM EDT
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Tanyars5

This website is great! I will pass it on.

  • 3 votes
Reply#14 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 7:45 AM EDT
American Idle

Thanks, Tan, as noted elsewhere in comments it can be linked on Twitter and Facebook. I only found out about it because I'm sort of in with the labor movement. I would love to see this get more press coverage.

  • 3 votes
#14.1 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 3:01 PM EDT
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Beckyal

Any company that moves jobs offshore should be required to pay for those employed rest of their lives and pay for their social security and medicare. I understanding offshore profits and investors liking it due to the returns on investment however, congress needs to put a tax on goods imported just as other countries have. People like lower prices but they don't like the fact that jobs have disappeared. This is the same excuse that many people use for hiring illegals and allowing illegals to remain in our country and not to secure our borders. It is time that americans get their act together and decide what they want.

  • 3 votes
Reply#15 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 7:46 AM EDT
Beau7890

Beckyal, American companies that move American jobs overseas are currently receiving tax breaks for doing it. If someone in Congress proposed a bill that would end those tax breaks, but a group of senators prevented that bill from passing through the Senate, do you agree those senators should all be voted out of office as soon as possible?

  • 7 votes
#15.1 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:38 PM EDT
Ted 050247

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68R40I20100928

It's the Republicans that DO NOT WANT to stop jobs from going overseas.

  • 5 votes
#15.2 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:43 PM EDT
Beau7890

Right. I was kind of hoping to get an answer from Beckyal before I revealed that...

  • 6 votes
#15.3 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:49 PM EDT
Ted 050247

sorry - I think you may have a long wait to get a response from beckyal.

  • 5 votes
#15.4 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 3:02 PM EDT
American Idle

I just seeded, Offshoring, outsourcing of jobs: U.S. jobs continue to flow overseas-

It talks about an escalation in laid off workers applying for "Trade Adjustment Assistance," which is a federal program of benefits to workers who lose jobs as a result of offshoring. So I'm wondering how that is paid for. So far haven't found whether that is funded from general tax revenues or fees/taxes paid by the offshoring corporate entity or what.

If corporations aren't paying for this, it's just another way they are screwing American workers and leaving us with the tab.

  • 6 votes
#15.5 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 3:13 PM EDT
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DaVinci-984257

If you want to see the pay of CEOs, visit this link:

http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm

  • 7 votes
Reply#17 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:53 AM EDT
tmac-425222

Just checked it out. Here's an interesting one I found on the site:

Stephen J. Hemsley

President and Chief Executive Officer
UNITEDHEALTH GROUP INC (UNH)
Headquarters: MINNEAPOLIS, MN
Insurance Carriers

In 2009, Stephen J. Hemsley received $8,901,916 in total compensation. By comparison, the average worker made $32,048 in 2009. Stephen J. Hemsley made 277 times the average worker's pay.

  • 6 votes
#17.1 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:14 PM EDT
American Idle

DaVinci, yes, thanks, that can be accessed also from the Job Tracker website. What a great job they did putting that all together.

  • 6 votes
#17.2 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:48 PM EDT
American Idle

Imac, now you now where all the insurance premiums go

  • 5 votes
#17.3 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 3:17 PM EDT
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Mark The Muse

Thanks for the link.......it looks very interesting.

  • 3 votes
Reply#18 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:12 AM EDT
American Idle

They are also working hard to keep it updated. Well, that's job security for someone, at least.

  • 3 votes
#18.1 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 3:18 PM EDT
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saddghg32Deleted
tmac-425222

Great website and you can share the link on Facebook and Twitter.

  • 3 votes
Reply#20 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:11 PM EDT
American Idle

can share the link on Facebook and Twitter.

Yes, thanks for pointing that out.

Go to it, folks!

  • 3 votes
#20.1 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:49 PM EDT
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mgbirish

When I was president of my local union and GE started outsourcing jobs, I called all US representatives, in Indiana Mark Souder GOP and Richard Luger GOP never even returned my phone calls. Evan Bayh was the only one. He sent a representative of his office to our hall. And some working people think the GOP has their interest at heart.!

  • 8 votes
Reply#21 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:21 PM EDT
American Idle

mgrirish... thanks for that info. People have to open their eyes. The Repubs don't do squat for working people; just the opposite. Their policies have been a disaster for us. And some Dems have gone along, sorry to say. We got NAFTA under Clinton. I wait to see the day when he apologizes for that, but I'm not holding my breath.

  • 4 votes
#21.1 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:53 PM EDT
K Dog

I lived in Indiana my whole life until 2000 when I moved west. During the 90's, I watched tons of our manufacturing jobs slink away to Brazil and other parts unknown. So as a consequence, I slinked away. The place I slinked to has a very large employer who in the last 10 yrs has moved it's main offices to another city and opened a plant in another state because 'they don't have a union.' All I can say is thank you to reps & dems who have let corporate business run the show. You bought us this crap idea that capitalism doesn't need capital, workers don't need proper wages, ect.....No wonder they fooled so many into thinking that their homes were banks......

There's a special place in hell. A very very special place indeed.....

  • 3 votes
#21.2 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:38 PM EDT
American Idle

K Dog, tell your story whenever you can. You put a human face on the havoc the government/corporate alliance has wreaked on the rest of us.

  • 4 votes
#21.3 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:46 PM EDT
K Dog

My rep leaning 85 yr old dad (we's all independant for good reason) wondered why me and my older brother could never keep a job for more than five years. I kept telling him......he voted for Obama. He lives in FL. Retired. He thinks fraggers are NUTZ. He going with a dem for congress. Word is getting around. :D

  • 2 votes
#21.4 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:07 PM EDT
American Idle

K Dog, it's a much different day and age now. Bless his heart.

Time was when someone could sell shoes or deliver milk and make a family supporting living. Families are just getting reamed now. Wages down, benefits disappearing, debt enormous, and people are truly working harder than ever here in the US. We work longer hours and have less vacation time than our counterparts in the EU, including Germany, which is booming, especially in green technologies.

I'm heartsick about what has happened to America's workers, but, in a sense, we have done it to ourselves by getting distracted from what's really happening. We have to be smarter for our own protection.

  • 4 votes
#21.5 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:24 PM EDT
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Rixar13

10 companies and industries have been reported as exporting jobs from your area, within a 50 mile radius of ZIP code 33549 . Click on the company name for more details.

Great Link and thanks... Smile :-)

  • 4 votes
Reply#22 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:33 PM EDT
American Idle

Those screen shots I posted are for my region. Almost did spit take when I saw it

  • 4 votes
#22.1 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 3:22 PM EDT
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EAS-E Auto Services

Through 9 months from self employment to total unemployment I found and researched lots of things. One to share is us census under small business and who's employing others. Showed over 80% of all us firms are small business (under 1M/yr in sales). We have to stop catering to those that outsource and retain what we can within. Support your local small businesses as they are your neighbors. Not a particular one, when you have a need or want support them. They will be the ones to retain jobs locally. Big boxes well this article and others like it show what we are just used til we have no more use. Take our country back with as many purchases as possible. Eventually the voice stating we do not support you will make a change. I was able to over 6 years almost double sales yearly until global steel markets by the greed of Chinese and Indian companies undercutting contracted rates on salvaged steel caused a 90% value drop in about 2 months August 08. Sorry, not a plug for my now bankrupt company just a relate to what is occurring and eroding our livlihoods. I had just expanded into a second small city, had a driver added with an income, bought American made trucks, and spread a lot throughout charities. I supported small shops, car dealers, and had just begun support for motor clubs bringing outside funds into this area. I'm tenacious so I'll rebuild in the next year or two with some new survival tactics learned the hard way. For those reading support locally and it may be your job saved tomorrow. A vote is nice, it's our purchasing habits that drive what is occurring.

  • 4 votes
Reply#23 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 3:37 PM EDT
randytexas

What Wal Mart needs is a damn strong union representing their employee's. Change from within a corporation can be done by the lowest person on its staff.

EAS good luck and this one here tries to support the local guy as much as possible. I can't tell you the last time I passed thru the doors of a Wal Mart or its like. Keep the faith because you may have many more of your neighbors like me to help you.

  • 3 votes
#23.1 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:21 PM EDT
Mark-702026

If Wal-mart were to unionize low income and middle class people all across the nation would take a tremendous hit to their disposable income.

There is a reason the major food chains are going out of business left and right, they were so heavily unionized they could not compete.

Wal mart gets lots of bad press. the truth is by and large the paya fair wage and over people who wan to work at advancement and growth opportunities unmatched by other retail outlets.

  • 1 vote
#23.2 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:12 AM EDT
American Idle

Walmart has repeatedly been cited with labor law violations and engaged in discriminatory practices. Get real.

Also, what you are describing and seem to be advocating is a race to the bottom. The nation got along just fine before Walmart came on the scene, before criminal business execs started shipping our jobs overseas and driving our wages and benefits and economy into the ground. They did it for profit, and while corporate profits are skyrocketing and companies are sitting on HUGE piles of cash, American workers are suffering. It's a disgrace.

Contempt for the American worker is contemptible and unAmerican.

  • 4 votes
#23.3 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:49 AM EDT
Mark-702026

I am not saying Wal-Mart are angels. They seem to have a problem with people that do not fit into straight, christian, workaholics.

They do outsource or lease some groups of employees that the contractors were not legit. I personally think they were not aware of the illegals in that situation.

However, by and large they provide good products at price most of us can afford. Unionize them and my friend will be eating a lot more beans, rice, and potatoes and way less meat for dinner.

Forget about being able to pickup inexpensive clothing. Lower income and middle income peoples buying power would be cut by at least 25 to 30 percent.

I grew up before Wal-Mart. I hate going to Wal-Mart or shop for that matter. But, I do remember having to go with my mother to half a dozen different stores to get supplies and clothes for our family.

  • 1 vote
#23.4 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:01 PM EDT
American Idle

FACTS from the documentary, "WalMart: The High Price of Low Cost"

  • 3 votes
#23.5 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:37 PM EDT
Mark-702026

You are just proving my point. Yes Wal-Mart cause smaller shops to close their doors. However, those friendsly main streat stores were goughing their cusomters for years. Think back. I remeber life befor eWal-Mart. The rich people in town were the merchant owners. They were not just comfortable, they were rolling in it.

They did not have medical plans. They did not have pension plans. They paid their people minimum wage, and you had no chance of advancement. They usually had very poor selection.

Wal-Mart has been the savior to low income and middle class households.

What is evil about investing into anti-labor union activities. It what keeps cost low, your buying power high, and to large degree a major our national economy that much stronger.

  • 1 vote
#23.6 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:53 PM EDT
American Idle

Sorry, Mark, I ignored you because of another comment you made, so I can't see whatever you wrote here.

  • 3 votes
#23.7 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:30 PM EDT
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American Idle

EAS, that is a tragic and powerful story. And it's really about the other half of the equation, i.e. the importation of really cheap stuff into the US.

There was a time when Walmart advertised that ALL it's products were US made. Now some say Walmart is nothing more than a distributor of Chinese goods. Walmart isn't the only Big Box that has gone that route, but what is especially evil about Walmart is how they pressure even cheap producers overseas to lower their prices more and more to the point where their workers are not earning enough to stay above poverty level in their own country.

Walmart has been responsible for the decimation of entire communities here in the US.

More info:

Wal-Mart Watch

The National Labor Committee - Putting a Human Face on the Global Economy

  • 5 votes
Reply#24 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 3:54 PM EDT
EAS-E Auto Services

Went round and round with a guy on Wally World issue, his side was for outsourcing. So he could buy a cheaper pair of $400 shoes? People really pay that for shoes? I explained how just one store in Rochester,NY on Hudson Ave wreaked chaos on the local community's businesses. He couldn't see it. I'm most familiar with auto work but, have an Associate in business admin finishing in the top 1% of my class. I went at it from the auto tire and oil change aspect done by unqualified people not spotting or being capable of repairs as they are tire busters. This one aspect takes from all the local shops relying on tire sales that done by techs find bad brakes, misaligned cars, or from the safety aspect the front end repairs that can require my towing services. Since one by one the shops close there go some more customers, volume ones. The cheap out front pumps wipe out the gas stations, food centers wipe out long standing grocery chains, etc... It just goes on and that folks is our economy folding in on itself. My wife shops at Walmart sorry, I do my best not to. I too wonder what happened over the last decade when the midwest based corporation sold out and they are a billion dollar a day or more in sales company. They represent over a percent of the US GDP, on the US Census site as well. Just takes that billion a day over the GDP to figure that one out. It is significant and to replace manufacturing with the $8 or so per hour jobs is a monopoly in action. In my business law book that is illegal. Anyways enough rambling there's a lot of stats in the Census site and a little analysis it can shock you as to what is occurring when you connect the dots. I looked up the zipcode 14422 I'm in and wanted to be sick who is outsourcing, and the number of them as well. I linked it to my facebook as well as a former honorably discharged Marine I spread the word to my brothers, along with all the truckers like me. I retrained for CDL-A through this and the next step is go to the big trucks to remake my mark. Since my income sucked out DOT paid for 90% of retraining so there is some good along with old debt in chapter 7 maybe there's hope in rebuilding. Maybe the predatory lenders won't win there. The other most damaging factor NYS child support that I've paid in excess of 100% of income some years is done next June when my working daughter not in school is 21. To date around 70K for 1 child so I'm no deadbeat dad. A lot of the negatives are almost done, and at least I have a FT job finally to rebuild with. I'm an American that doesn't know how to give up. If I can keep going and rebuild maybe it will inspire others to take back this country. One person and one small business starting or surviving at a time. It isn't easy but, freedom takes a lot of fights to win. For the outsources fight them by not supporting them until they can label each and every item where they were made. I remember about 2 decades ago that mattered, what happened?

  • 3 votes
#24.1 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:06 PM EDT
EAS-E Auto Services

Sorry I rambled on the relate to walmart sales and GDP is that just one company has the ability to sway the economy all by itself. If you think of how many businesses are in just one phone book they have an enormous power to build or damage by choosing to outsource their supply lines or support American workers. Really how much more could it cost here to manufacture a spatula, pair of shoes, or anything they sell? Little to nothing as everything is mass production anyways. It's a choice to erode our country just one company has this ability. Combine by zipcode site, and it is no wonder we are losing our power place in the world. I think in mine the number of companies outsourcing and violating labor laws was around 800 some odd. God help us.

  • 1 vote
#24.2 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:24 PM EDT
American Idle

EAS, you are blowing me away with your story and your insights. You are a hard working guy who sounds like he plays by the rules and gets screwed anyway, and that is the story of our American working class. The country would be nowhere without us, yet look what we get in return. The powers that be can't even make a commitment to the products we can, could, and should be making right here.

Yes, it's REALLY disturbing that one company can have such an effect. Based on what I've seen, the WALMART-ization of the country is killing us. The solution is to be active and not be defeated. You absolutely did the right thing passing on the info. We have military in our family, active and vet, and I can't imagine what it's like for them to see that the country they serve and the principles they stand for are being so betrayed.

You never have to apologize to me for "rambling." You are sharing your story. And I thank you for that.

  • 2 votes
#24.3 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:36 PM EDT
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randytexas

It won't be long when almost all our major corporations will move jobs outside of the US but they will expect and in some cases demand us to buy their products. I think if we made a collective decision not to purchase any products made by these companies maybe they will get the hint.

We will have such a reduction in tax revenue that we won't be able to fund this country and all due to our American (in name only) corporations.

Will the rich get it when we have 40 to 50 per cent unemployment and they and their families will fear for their lives due to severe economic unrest. It will be a telling point in American History when we may actually have people take their county back. I hope I'm not alive when that happens.

  • 4 votes
Reply#25 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:18 PM EDT
American Idle

Randy, I hear you. I've been wondering for some time when the real revolution is going to start. No guns, no violence, but a revolution of ideas. But first we need an awakening. I get so frustrated because I see so many of my workingclass people divided by race, gender, faith, heritage, whatever plays. But they don't see who is playing them. They don't get that their anger is misdirected. Labels like right, left, liberal, conservative, etc., don't mean @!$%# in the long run. If we're working class, we're all in the same boat and we all have common foe: the corporate elites running the country, and us, into the ground.

  • 2 votes
#25.1 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:41 PM EDT
EAS-E Auto Services

It already did when the economy came crashing down. As people cannot afford to credit themselves into eternal debt we remember how to make do. We learned to live without so we could save a few dollars here and there. My wife bought me a tiller and maybe 10-15.00 in seeds. I grew a lot of food this past summer and I shared as much as possible with my family, and some worse off neighbors. One has a permanently disabled daughter, I'm white, she's black. She was a customer at times but, I know she needed help. A few tomatoes this trip to my house maintained by my mom, some squash, corn, watermelons, and for halloween a free pumpkin on her porch for fun. When we can get by a little lighted screen and remember those faces, and do something about it, talk to them about what "it" is that we can do we take it back. I save them 20-30 this month maybe they can keep the heat on next month, or put it in savings for a rainy day. The free food isn't in a corporate treasure chest. This times millions making do is a small revolution in the making. No violence needed.

For those with financial means to do more support a local business. My economics final was based on the better use of 50M that went to buy a fast ferry in Rochester NY, now bankrupt and was a wealthy folks playground yet my taxes pay for it to this day. The basic idea was low interest loans to small businesses in the 50-100K range. Banks rape a business in high interest. Why do it? Because a small business will generate sales, along with it 8% sales tax here in Monroe County, NY. People are employed they pay income taxes, buy homes or rent both of which pay property taxes. They can buy services such as phone and cable, look at a bill this or that tax. During the life of even a sole proprieter business it generates the loan 10 fold. When I broke it down it was more like 50 times over at maybe 5 employees. Added tax deductions do nothing to keep businesses open if you have no profit left you pay no taxes anyways, been there 03-09. Invisible hand at work was donations to many charities from pd, fd, children's theatre, Jerry's Kids, SPCA, etc.. The expenses are astronomical which supply other local jobs, compounding effect at work. Those that complain over paying taxes on high incomes yet do not seek out the investments that reduce tax liability are just giving the gov money they cannot manage, and in the process wipe out small businesses they could've helped, maybe even a family member, a friend, or a service provider they use, then wonder where they went. My concept was government providing low interest loans, but the same can apply to those with the means and there are still many. This is the revolution of taking back our jobs. We prop up the banks and they chose to continue the rape of our savings through one game or another. This revolution is just remembering how we became a strong country and one person at a time through necessity is doing their part.

In 6 months of just being employed I've managed to set aside 10% down payment on my next used truck. It is possible, with scrimp, save, and spend only when the positive improvements are made first then we remember how to create jobs even just our own. I even put change in a coffee jug daily, another 5 a week or more added to. As a former Marine I know the only impossibility is if I allow myself to think it is. There's a revolution of ideas for ya, and happy if it helps others to fight for their survival better. We bail ourselves, and those we love out. We take back our country the way it was when it began, small groups of like ideas, beliefs, and discard the government that over taxes. Thanks for letting me ramble on I have an American patriot's name Ethan Allen, and I believe in this country and it's people's ability to overcome outsourcing.

    #25.2 - Sat Oct 23, 2010 6:34 PM EDT
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    Reply#28 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:40 PM EDT
    American Idle

    Hi, TR, thanks. I'm back. I deleted. Damn, a girl can't even get out to dinner! Thanks for minding the store.

    • 2 votes
    #28.1 - Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:43 PM EDT
    TR-421173

    The advertising scum annoy me, so I report them whenever I see them. Just doing my part.

    • 3 votes
    #28.2 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:38 AM EDT
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    dawnypawny

    American Idle, Great information, prior to the election. We need to be ready to see that we elect lawmakers that do not support or are not affiliated those shipping our jobs overseas.

    It is going to take people who are really interested in changing this trend and want to rebuild American jobs. We must listen carefully and be careful not to let those who favor outsourcing to be a part of our government representatives.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#29 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:10 AM EDT
    American Idle

    dawny, it's the age old labor question... which side are you on

    • 3 votes
    Reply#30 - Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:27 PM EDT
    gillanator

    Having grown up in NE Ohio the job tracker reveals heart breaking results of outsourcing. This area was rich in industrial jobs, now they are all but gone.

    • 5 votes
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